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Tactics. and another thing to note with sanders' fundraising numbers he's been pretty flat with fundraising since the first quarter of the year where he also raised about $18 million. so that, combined with his slip in the polls, is showing that he's kind of maybe losing a little momentum. but the good news is that, what his campaign says, most of these people, the vast majority are under the contribution limit and can contribute again in the future. >> yeah. and polling as you say isn't predictive but it certainly helps to clarify things. but do you think there's more pressure on the 1% and 2...

Makes up the trump organization. we know as we've been talking about for so long about that trump tower meeting in july of 2016. what does don, junior face down the barrel? >> well, i wanted to make one point of clarification on the legal point with respect to the president's liability for campaign finance violations. the crime is knowing that accepting an illegal payment or a payment over the contribution limit could help him in the campaign. it's not knowledge that it would violate the law, if that were the case, we could always say listen, i didn't know that i couldn't jaywalk at that corne...

To possible criminal prosecution because they have filed a complaint with the department of justice, why? because if he paid money back to michael cohen is means the president did know about it and potentially willfully ignored the law. and you know that ignorance of the law does not mean that you get forgiven for breaking the law. so that is one thing that common cause says. the second thing they say is that michael cohen can't be let off the hook just because he was paid back because there is a contribution limit for individuals. michael cohen said i paid this on my own, i got an equity paym...

Sarah, you have been following the stormy daniels saga from the beginning and tonight a bombshell from rudy giuliani that trump repaid michael cohen $130,000 for that stormy daniels hush money payment. giuliani says this did not violate any campaign finance laws. is he right, sarah snider? >> the answer is no according to common cause. and they have a couple of reasons why. it says it exposes donald trump to possible criminal prosecution because they have filed a complaint with the department of justice, why? because if he paid money back to michael cohen is means the president did know about ...

And if he wants to squeeze michael cohen, he can say, you have a federal elections problem here, and you have got you're way over to the $2700 contribution limit and you paid $130,000, and you said under oath, you did not get reimbursed and you need to play ball with us and tell us what you were doing with the moscow deal and they can go down that road and others that we have no idea about. >> and so i am hearing you say that he may have made himself vulnerable to the special counsel case, and i am curious about woman karen mcdougal who is trying to get out of her agreement to stay silence aft...