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>> what republicans generally argue is that the governments, you know, going back to certainly bush years and even back to reagan has grown. so you have this new breed which is old school thinking of let's control growth and size and spending of the federal government. all the things you listed, my question would be why can't we as a nation have an honest discussion about value and worth and expense of the programs, maybe not a 40% cut, maybe 10% cut. >> if romney proposes those cuts, shouldn't he begin that conversation? >> so should the president. the president can't run around talking about...

Service, basic research, foreign aid, housing subsidy, census, pell grant, trademark office, fda, all has to be cut on average 40%. not even remotely plausible. the consequences would be catastrophic. a lot of republicans when they vote say there's nothing in the federal government for me, i don't care how much they cut it. >> that's not true. >> cuts that are significant to me, i am trying to give your politician a break. must be some reason why. >> what republicans generally argue is that the governments, you know, going back to certainly bush years and even back to reagan has grown. so you ...

Aid, housing subsidy, census, pell grant, trademark office, fda, all has to be cut on average 40%. not even remotely plausible. the consequences would be catastrophic. a lot of republicans when they vote say there's nothing in the federal government for me, i don't care how much they cut it. >> that's not true. >> cuts that are significant to me, i am trying to give your politician a break. must be some reason why. >> what republicans generally argue is that the governments, you know, going back to certainly bush years and even back to reagan has grown. so you have this new breed which is old ...