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and i have a programming note that it is just for you. it's one of your favorites -- of kurt anderson is going to be joining us this hour. and just for you, i saved him for last. so, you can get home and turn on the tv, and -- >> and still make it! >> there he will be and i'm going to offer him a theory to take as you will. and that is, that if you think that rudy giuliani has changed from some previous good version of rudy giuliani, you have not been paying attention -- >> you have not! >> i read some old spy martin magazine in kurt andersen's honor about rudy giuliani in 1990. and ...

joining us this hour. and just for you, i saved him for last. so, you can get home and turn on the tv, and -- >> and still make it! >> there he will be and i'm going to offer him a theory to take as you will. and that is, that if you think that rudy giuliani has changed from some previous good version of rudy giuliani, you have not been paying attention -- >> you have not! >> i read some old spy martin magazine in kurt andersen's honor about rudy giuliani in 1990. and he's the same dude at his he was then. i can't wait for your conversation with him. >> we are going to be showing pic...

That you were engaged in a legislative meeting with a colleague of yours who was trying to urge you to meet a lobbyist to discuss a certain issue, to try to illuminate it for you -- and then, at some point, you get a call from the fbi. they want to talk to you about that meeting with that lobbyist because, as it turns out, they believe there may have been some bribes exchanged with that other member of congress in order to get that lobbyists case and vance advanced. would you say -- no -- oh, we lost. and it looked like we were losing his connection. glenn kirschner, my point was, would any me...