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of massachusetts and utah and they did a study looking at half a million kids in massachusetts comparing students three and six feet apart. there are a lot of caveats. in areas of high transmission, they want to keep the high school and junior high school at six feet apart. let's say where there is a choir or singing, you want to increase that. the most important part to mention about these guidelines -- it depends on a lot of things. first of all, the amount of ventilation in a classroom. if you have a poorly ventilated classroom, even six feet may not be enough, certainly not if yo...

Clearly pence makes that call, and it's supposed to be that kind of call. and it's legally relevant that the defendant movesing the conversation back, seizes on the intersection to pursue according to the smith indictment a criminal plot. that's presumably from pence, a reference from pence's notes, those are his notes, unless somebody rebutts that -- we know that's it. in page 41 of the indictment, we see trump is in the, quote, outer oval office with aides. the defendant says, see this is what happens when you try to steer elections. people are unhappy. you don't put that in quotes and jack ...

Resources. so we can give the people the things they need so they don't need to cry out in crisis in the first place. and that, at the root, is the thing that actually reduces crime. >> to that and, -- this is exposed because of the race of the officers involved. the culture of violence, the culture of anti-blackness that is embedded in the structure of policing and specifically in these anti-crime units. how do we tackle this problem? what is the conversation back -- inside policing units and in a city like memphis, where there is very much a dialogue about how to better involve the community...

Here is what we know. we only know this at this point. that was smart of them to do, and as they learned more, they shared more, but, they were doing it in a manner in which they won't have to walk their conversation back, like we saw in uvalde. so, kudos to tulsa, you know where you but they are reporting, how the officers responded, how they know what to do with this point, which is very limited. they made that very clear. i think they should be applauded for that and, clearly, it was lessons learned from uvalde. >> cedric alexander, greatly appreciate your time, thank you for joining us thi...

Deputy chief there in tulsa, here is what they did, very carefully, and cleverly. here is what we know. they did not give you any more information than what they knew, at that moment. they did not over say, we did this, we did that. here is what we know. we only know this at this point. that was smart of them to do, and as they learned more, they shared more, but, they were doing it in a manner in which they won't have to walk their conversation back, like we saw in uvalde. so, kudos to tulsa, you know where you but they are reporting, how the officers responded, how they know what to do with ...