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control room to pull you have a live shot of the house floor. this is happening. we're about halfway through the alphabet. you see the shot of former house speaker, nancy pelosi. 14 members so far. 15 members so far have chosen somebody other than mccarthy. the vote is not final. the vote is not gavelled, however, if this holds, he will not be speaker for time number two. ali, what happens for time number three? what's the next card to play? >> that's the next question especially as you have members like chip roy of texas vowing he will still continue to hold mccarthy to a count on a...

Committee? let's get that person talking to the right person. let's figure out -- it's an information gathering session as much anything. it's used to identify what someone's looking for. what's in play for them. and then maybe you can bring mccarthy in and have that conversation with him. what's challenging is they didn't know who was going to vote no and there's not one unified thing they're asking for. who's a hard no? who's in play? bring a trusted person to talk to them about it. not just your leadership staff. i'm sure there's some leadership staff working on it, too, but mccarthy has a ...

And keep in mind, i want to acknowledge there are other senators, sinema among them, who expressed reservations along the way. paint me a picture. give me an idea where there's overlap here and interest. >> well, let's start with conversation versus condemnation. yes, there are elements of it that he is not thrilled with. and look, we have to inject some pragmatism into the circumstance. we have a system of government that makes this tedious. it's designed to make change difficult. boy, we are witnessing that right now. so let's recognize what we need. we need him. plain and simple. we need hi...