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Market where the market isn't going to accept them. that's what's been happen. it will take a year or so to sort this out. a transitional year is out. we have moderate, reasonable people who sat down and we have an awful lot of republican colleagues hole join us on this and responsible changes now. that's what we're hoping for. the copper plan is basically we had gold, silver, bronze, now we have the copper plan, which gives a younger person who basically is healthier and living a healthier lifestyle a chance to have something more affordable. >> i guess you're hoping more young people will si...

A make sense. one, having a copper plan available for consumers. i support that. >> that already existed. that already existed. that was the bad apple plan the president wanted to get rid of, this high catastrophic-type insurance. >> low premium, high deductible. we need to offer that to consumers. this plan, obamacare in general is a great start. it's not an end to itself, it's a means to an end. >> why didn't they do it that way to begin w why didn't they allow people to keep plans to begin with. >> the whole idea is so cynical when you think about democrats pretending this is a legitimate s...

Under obamacare, by offering a lower-cost plan, a plan they would call the copper plan, which is come behind the gold plan and silver plan and bronze plan. jon: if you don't like your bronze, silver or gold, jamie, you potentially have a copper plan you could buy i guess would be cheaper. is that the idea? >> yeah, that's the idea because of the high premiums that consumers are seeing. they also want to look in to see if you can sell insurance across state lines. that is something republicans have championed. i don't think we'll be seeing this proposal right now if the democrats were not very ...

Democrats, want to allow states to be able to sell across state lines. expand option for voluntary coverage for businesses with fewer than 100 workers. right now i believe it's for 50. they want to make enrollment easier by allowing folks to sign up directly with insurance companies. one of the democrats behind this new proposal, senator joe manchin of west virginia and he joins me now. great to see you, senator. >> good to be with you, gretchen. how are you? >> i'm doing just fine. there's a lot this group of senators, all democrats in red states, all up for re-election. >> i'm not. >> except...

Push those. when he made that comment tonight, i know he kind of looked toward the republicans. but there's a group of us moderates saying hey we have some ideas. >> senator reid told me today that he is open to ideas from people like you. he called them 2014ers, you're one of them, to make some constructive changes to obamacare, what do you think you'll be able to vote on? >> this idea of the copper plan, which i think is basically a lower cost premium, more out of pocket expense people want it but it lowers the cost. something i've heard from alaskans all across the state. or the business en...