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eastman -- i don't remember why he called me, or he texted me or called me, wanted to talk with me. and he said he couldn't reach others. and he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia preserving something, potentially for appeal. and i said to him "are you out of your f-ing mind?" i said i only want the hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. i don't want to hear any other f-ing words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. >> what did he say? >> eventually he said "orderly trans...

His relationship with women is part of it. >> it's interesting that it would have been a simpler story line if they were targeting the media because of news media. as i mentioned earlier, judges face this. prosecutors and lawyers face this. people who are angry at the way society had treated them. they said there's nothing to change in the way we report things. >> here's what worries me. the acting chief said it. he said i'm not going to say this man's the name. i wish you wouldn't but i know you will. what do we know happens in this business? this copy cat effect. you had "charlie hebdo." now...

Anything surprising about the fact that he went into this theater about, you know, 1:00 in the afternoon. it is a weekday. it is not particularly packed according to the police. does that shed light on to motivation or why he was there at that time? >> no i don't think so ayman. it is other than theaters are in the national news as places where there are shootings. so we do have sometimes a copy cat effect. and a person may be acting like that. also a theater is where citizens congregate in an enclosed space o. so a person bent on harm to just the public at large or whatever motive can find th...

Attention and the way we give them an identity by mentioning their names and repeating their names creates additional little monsters. we find that these types of crimes occur in clusters. and so to that extent, lapierre is not that far off when he says how many are out there waiting? we have no idea. >> the data, we looked into the data on this sort of copy cat effect, and there's interesting findings in both directions. it is fairly unsettled. there are finding that is do suggest the large copy cat of large publicity shootings i deuces those on the border of committing these things to plan t...

Cited. so i any there was some copy cat effect here. now what the motive is with this guy was he going to try to hold people hostage? spray the pepper spray? did he have a bomb on his chest. >>? it all amounts to be seen. but he's dead and nobody else so that is the one good news here. no other citizens have been hurt. >> no doubt. so the gunman is identified as the a 51-year-old local man. does that give you any indication of what might have been a possible motive or what we can make of this? >> well, again we do have copy cats. i just came back into washington. i've been in cleveland teachin...