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This really lacks principle and makes it up in popularity. this is not a big costless effort. this will have to be drafted and defended in the courts. it will cost a lot of money. for what? because you're going to get a bump in your polls? so this is go over really well on cable programs and it's going to go over badly in actual courts of law. >> john: i have to go quickly here. those that argue that this could lead to a patch work of laws. can't get an abortion in texas or buy a gun in california and can't do whatever in florida. >> you can certainly have copycat legislation. but keep in mind...

States with republican legislatures, we would see copycat legislation that also bans abortion in those states. certain ly there will be some states that preserve the right to an abortion, but women who live in other states will have to travel to those states to get an portion. those who have the means to do so will have that burden, but will be able to get an portion. where this really falls is on women who do not have the means to do that, women of color, women of lower income, they're not going to have that opportunity, and so i worry that we return to that pre-1973 world where we see back a...

I think it's going to make a big, big difference when we contrast our priorities with the republicans who essentially are trying to stop people from being able to vote and also who really want to support donald trump and continue their ability to try to overthrow and overturn the outcome of fairly run elections. >> i like that. >> we're going to talk about a hot button issue here where there's some contrast in your state. you have a supreme court that will be taking up a case against texas's near total abortion ban in november. however, they're leaving that law in effect in the meantime. aside...

Here at the university of texas school of law. they also use language like aiding and abetting, so anyone who assists a patient, patients are not allowed to be sued but anyone who counsels, finances or transports them can be sued. the language aiding and abetting has a lot of criminal -- to it. it's a novel legal strategy, kind of clever way to get around the normal rules, so we're seeing copycat legislation, roe v. wade effectively not in place in texas, but still in place in the constitution. the supreme court will have a chance to repeal that when they make a decision about mississippi in t...

Invalidated, in the meantime for every minute, every second that goes by, women in texas are having their constitutional right to make choices about their own reproductive rights abridged. and i think other states are paying attention. you can bet in states who are eager to see the end of roe versus wade, we'll see copycat legislation hit the books immediately. >> alexis, banning abortions doesn't stop them. it stops poor women from getting safe ones. can you talk to us about that? >> yeah, absolutely. look, for the people of texas, roe is effectively overturned. and the impact of that means l...