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Think it's quite rational to look at the existing leadership and say, you know what, we need to shake things up, we need to try something different. i think that was the mood. >> what's wrong where eric cantor? >> what's wrong with eric cantor? i don't think he stole typewriters, i think the lack of leadership coming from the house republican side is he says he wants to get things done, but where were his ideas? our idea of fixing washington is not splitting the difference on harry reid's bad idea. if you want to do immigration, pass your own immigration plan. if you want to do balance the bud...

Looking for people who have core convictions, they are going to stick to those core convictions, and they are going to fight for them every day. and i don't think eric cantor probably -- >> let's talk about this. you said primary voters, but your party, i guess you're republican, right? you're republican? you're going to pick a presidential nominee to take on hillary clinton, in all likelihood, all likelihood. same voters, oh, primary voters, are the one that's going to decide in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, they are going to have the power, those three states. i see evidence here, the...

Rights, on issues about sexual morality, on issues like abortion. i see the party as not moving away from those issues, even as some of the intellectual discussion says that stuff needs to be left behind. is that the party's future or only the past? >> i would say there's two things. one, the mistake or trap we fall in is we allow ourselves to be singularly defined by those issues. i would argue things like abortion is an important issue. however, we can't let our party only be about abortion. sometimes we fall in the trap of letting that happen. second thing, a lot of people look at demograph...

Just as to the race issue. it's not our core convictions. it is unacceptable and we have to show more tolerance because this is the way the world is going. >> well, and alex, in terms of big tent mentality and wanting to bring people into that tent think about the cpac speech in which jeb bush said too many people see the republican party as anti-woman, anti-science, ant ant anti-gay, that might make a lot of would-be republicans feel unwelcome. what's your response to that? >> the key is this is absolutely about core convictions, and the core values of the republican party support traditional...

Working in this country. we need to go back to limited government and fiscal responsibility. did he that as governor in florida, balancing the budget and that's what we need to do. he focused on energy, on food and technology, on the policy that is the liberals have that are stifling those issues and we need to look at republican policies that help support some of the greatest things that we have in this country, and that will make us a better country. >> the difference is that where jeb bush was governor, democrats wanted to work with him because they saw him as a good guy and someone that co...