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Chris say. as much the coverage of the election results last night in virginia and elsewhere, i use words like shocking and surprising, but i have to, say it does not really stand for me. the election results were in many ways, incredibly expected. you jersey governor tory arrays was closer than almost anyone thought it would be. and i should tell you, the associated press is called the race for and commit phil murphy. but the nbc news decision desk is still waiting to get additional information, in virginia, remember, before election day, the polling averages showed a neck and neck race right...

Let me start with you. i was in charlottesville, on election night, in 2010, where you lost that race. in the big sort of key party backlash. you have personally experienced this. what do you make of what happened last night? >> i think it's a warning in time for democrats to avoid next year. the losses that we had in 2010. first of all it was a much closer election. we saw the democratic coalition turnout, in a close race. but really at the end of the day, i think we saw that simply being anti trump is not enough. democrats are going to have to show the results that they're producing for ever...

Nbc news now projects that democrat phil murphy has held on to the governor see in new jersey, narrowly beating out republican jack ciattarelli. murphy had been pulling double digits for turnout was low. and the race was much tighter. new york times points out that murphy is the first democrat in 44 years to get reelected to the governor's office of new jersey, and you can understand what happened without going to steve kornacki with the big board in the latest. steve what we have? >> here you go, you can see murphy, old days here rude beginning small updates from different counties, murphy ha...

Having a minimum wage, expanding medicaid, health care benefits, and delivering a paid family leave. i think where democrats can show those results, in addition to -- there's still time to put together a winning formula for next year. >> alex you did some reporting you did a great interview with one mom in virginia. so i keep thinking about his when you asked, what's your issue with the curriculum she basically said, well there's an assignment that sort of ran down andrew jackson. for ethnic cleansing, and i don't really like that very much. and i thought, that's a real grievance. it's not inv...

Against democrats next fall. yes and i think there is a few things that i think are interesting here, one is, you've got the bio problem with someone like shawn carnal. in normal circumstances, you don't want someone, or whether these allegations are true or, not but you don't want to feel the candidate whose ex-wife is saying. he abused me, he told me to go get an abortion action, he had our kids so hard. you know, you don't want that, right? >> right. >> the other thing is, that youngkin -- trump change so much about politics, he's returned to the old normal -- youngkin didn't seem like he w...