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standoff between its allies. lloyd austin meeting with european defense ministers at ramstein air base in germany. we are also, though, just getting in some breaking news, cnn white house reporter natasha bertrand, oren liebermann joining us. what are you hearing potentially about what more we're learning? even this secret meeting that the cia director held last week with president zelenskyy? >> yeah, so about the meeting between ukrainian president zelenskyy and cia director bill burns we are learning that burns went there really to brief the ukrainian president on what the u.s. bel...

We managed go 220 plus years as a nation without an a.g. being held in contempt until eric holder was held in contempt 2012 over the fast and furious this firearms investigation scandal. that was a republican congress but joined by 17 democrats who voted to hold him in contempt then in 2019 bill barr was held in contempt over the attempt to include a citizenship question on the census. now, nothing happened to either of them but contempt is meaningful. it's a symbolic slappen 0 the wrist. i think merrick garland has to take the slap on the wrist if it means protecting doj's core institutional ...