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for its work, its atrocities in syria and its what is done in africa, wagner was supposed to fill that hole. that's what they've done. the primary russian force fighting in bakhmut in eastern ukraine is wagner forces and the u.s. has said many of these are vicks who were released from prison specifically to fight for wagner with the promise that they would be released if they fulfilled their contract. if they fought for long enough. it was just a couple of weeks ago the u.s. also said wagner itself not the russian ministry of defense was getting artillery from north korea, the north korea was supplying this so this would be an additional step putting forward by the u.s. the evidence supporting that argument. it has been wagner fighting primarily in bakhmut making some gains they claim to have taken much of soledar, a town just north of bakhmut but that has become the primary russian force. it's also interesting we've seen as wagner has become the primary force there disagreements, even open arguments between the leader of wagner known as prigozhin and openly arguing with the russian ministry of

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wagner. in recent weeks we have seen north korea, sorry, we have seen north korean officials falsely deny that they have provided arms to wagner. as we have said publicly north korea delivered infantry rockets and missiles into russia for use by wagner toward the end of last year. so today, we are releasing some imagery of this initial delivery. this imagery shows on november 18th, five russian railcars traveled from russia to north korea. and the next day november 19th north korea loaded those ra railcars with shipping containers and the train returned to russia. now, while we assess the amount of material delivered to wagner has not changed battlefield dynamics in ukraine we do expect it will continue to receive north korean weapon systems. we obviously condemn north korea's actions and we urge north korea to cease deliveries to wagner immediately. and we are going further, by taking action against wagner itself, last month the

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military into a western-style high-tech counteroffensive force? it's all coming together well in this phase and i'm watching very closely in terms of what the ramstein contract group can deliver to ukrainen army. >> there's also the question of in terms of things we're watching closely would be the reaction from russia. not only to whatever we learn out of ramstein, right, but also to the expected designation when it comes to wagner and what the impact could be on a response from russia. >> yeah, and there's been, you know, a continued comment by mr. putin and now the former president, medvedev who are saying, hey, if russia does lose a conventional war the next step would be the use of nuclear weapons. well, that's becoming an old song for russia. they continue to threaten the use of nuclear weapons and they know that the potential for a retaliation or even a preemptive

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putin, the president there are increasingly relying on this russian mercenary organization to carry out these military operations in ukraine as the russian military there is really faltering. so, again, this information just coming in that the u.s. does plan to issue even more sanctions on wagner group next week and, of course, releasing new evidence to the public about what they say are deliveries by north korea to wagner group of very powerful missiles and other military equipment that they can use there. >> yes, certainly an important development. and we are, i should say we are waiting to hear from the white house on that so we'll bring that to you as soon as it begins. as we dig deeper here, oren, looking at wagner's role in ukraine, walk us through how it is understood that this group has been used by russia to this point. >> when russia began suffering a shortage of bodies essentially they brought in wagner, the mercenary organization infamous

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defense so those fractures have become evident. prigozhin claiming wagner is the most effective fighting force russia has right now and this is why they've gotten so much attention not only over the course of the past few weeks but longer as they have become primarily one of russia's key weapons in the fight in eastern ukraine. >> stay with me. i also want to bring in retired lieutenant general mark hertling joining us. cnn military analyst and former commanding general of the seventh army. when you hear the new reporting as to what's going to happen, curious your reaction to what we're waiting to hear from the white house and what the potential impact could be. a cou >> first, wagner is a transnational criminal organization. what oren described is sort of a scenario out of "sopranos." the russian government is

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decisions based largely, largely on what they will generate for prigozhin in terms of positive publicity. we continue to assess that wagner currently has approximately 50,000 personnel deployed to ukraine including 10,000 contractors and 40,000 convicts. our information indicates the russian defense ministry has reservations about wagner's recruitment methods. despite this we access they will continue to recruit right out of russian prisons due to recent events, we assess that it is likely there are mounting tensions between russian officials and mr. prigozhin. i also want to discuss a little bit north korea's ongoing support for russia's military operations against ukraine. by providing arms and ammunition to wagner. in part because of our sanctions and export controls russia is searching for arms from foreign countries including through

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adversary ground forces and so -- >> listen to john kirby there, he's currently talking about the tanks and why he believes they're needed saying it's time sensitive in ukraine. that it's a relevant critical need. this comes though if you're just joining us on the heels of a briefing where kirby was talking about the designation of the wagner group which is this mercenary group which has as we know been working on the part of russia in ukraine, they will be designated a transitional criminal organization. more sanctions could be coming next week. why now? it basically opens up the avenue for sanctions and also may have an impact on the group's ability to do business around the world. retired lieutenant general mark hertling is still with us. so general hertling, when we see this, you know, i think it's always a good question of, okay, so there's this designation, okay, there could be more sanctions next week, practically, though, what is that impact? >> it was a great question by the reporter in the briefing

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criminal organization? >> it will continue to open up avenues where we not only sanction wagner and put more squeeze on their act to do business around the world but will assist others in doing the same. it will broaden the network of nations and institutions that will be able to stop doing business with wagner. >> and can i ask one other question on ukraine. what is the level of frustration here at the white house over germany's position on giving tanks to ukraine especially since germany doesn't have to give their own tanks, they just have to allow another country to send tank to ukraine. >> we're working not only in lockstep with ukrainians but partners and allies all over the world and these are all decisions that each nation makes for itself. sovereign decisions. we aren't arm-twisting. and nobody is arm-twisting us. we are working inside what you could consider a coalition of

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continuing wide -- sorry committing widespread atrocities and human rights abuses and we will work relentlessly to identify, disrupt, expose and target those who are assisting wagner. second, as we have stated previously the arms transfer the from the dprk are in direct violation of united nations security council resolutions so today we shared information on these violations with the security council's dprk sanctions committee panel of experts. we will continue to raise these violations at the security council alongside our allies and partners and, third, of course, and i think you saw secretary austin and chairman milley in ramstein today at the eighth iteration of the ukraine defense contact group. we are continuing to provide ukraine with the weapons and equipment that it needs to defend itself. so and you saw today the significant new package of security assistance which included more than 500 armored vehicles including bradleys,

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corrupt. they are relying on these paramilitary organizations to recruit criminals from prison putting them on the battlefield and having them attack en masse so that literally tens of thousands of them are killed used as meat grinders so what you're talking about is a military that hasn't been able to execute their war plans. have not been good tactically, operationally or strategically on the battlefield so they rely on prigozhin and his wagner group and it's causing a great deal of consternation within the pentagon itself, personalities are at each other's throats in moscow. having to do with cia director burns going to ukraine, giving additional information, you know, harken back to before the february invasion by russia into ukraine, burns had been to moscow several times, told them basically we knew what we were seeing them do, getting ready to prepare to attack into ukraine

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