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Me ask you. why do you think there's this phenomenon where the president gets in his own way and steps on his own message time after time? >> he can't help himself. whether it's tweeting responses or morning joe or news of the day, he can't help himself. he always does it. whether it's a theme week he gets in the way of or anything else, his ability to dominate a news cycle is what we've seen for more than two years since he announced running. i think the smart thing to do would be to dial it back a little bit. let some of the visuals that really work for trump when he does these events, the m...

Would be unproductive. as somebody who worked on health care, it was going to be a cul-de-sac. that's exactly what's happened politically and economically, and it's wrong. my view is, he made both a political and a policy blunder of the first order, which is what rookies make when they come right out of the box. >> do you think it was because he listened to people like paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who said this is what the republicans want? >> yeah. i think a lot of people -- i don't know. i only know what i read. i don't know -- i know -- the one thing i do know, what you read is 10% usually...

Opposite, which is to go to a set of policies on health care that would be divisive and unproductive. as somebody who worked on health care, it was going to be a cul-de-sac. that's what happened. politically and economically and it's wrong. my view is, he made both a political and a policy blunder of the first order, which is what rookies make when they come right out of the box. >> do you think it was because he listened to people like paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who said this is what the republicans want? >> i don't know. i only know what i read. i don't know -- i know -- the one thing i d...

Saying these populist movements that were saying and not just in france but other parts of the globe are changing the landscape of politics. we saw this in this particular lace where it was in the traditional values they were running on it but nationalism versus globalism. how are you seeing that trending across the world really? >> is the net across the west. marine le pen is that this herself. it's not left or right against globalism and nationalism. we see this throughout races and throughout europe and even in the united states. between the trump and hillary, the debate was she's a globali...

There's a very specific terrorist threat that we need to look for and we're not sure that he's telling the truth. that makes us less safe. a second really practical reason, we're all out here trying to raise kids who tell the truth. and when you're sending your kid to school, you know, to elementary school where he would get in trouble for doing what the president is doing and turns and says, well, the president does it, i mean, he's a role model. >> what do you say that to, senator santorum, especially the credibility issue, that some point people may not believe him when it's very important ...