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A potential for democrats to make some headway in those crowds that are showing up at town halls worried about their health care being taken away? >> well, absolutely. i don't think you're being short sided on this point at all. having been in the spot that the new chairman perez finds himself in now on the heels of the election of barack obama, i walked into the rnc. we had no cash coming in. had just lost a big election. the party was splintered at its base. when you have the white house i would agree with john. the chairman is a functionary because it is supposed to coordinate the dollars t...

Grievances. women's rights, lgbt rights, immigration, is that a risk of diluting the core message? >> i don't think so, intersectionality is important and key. that's what the march highlighted. can talk about the rights of women but so many women dealing with fear of their families being snatched away in the middle of the night byice, who are children not comfortable with themselves, don't feel can exist in society because discriminated against because lgbtq, we have to touch on interseksality and do a disservice otherwise. multi layered. >> were you surprised to see so many men? >> no i wasn...

So we have to preserve this truth with jealous anxiety that we should reject the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest or to enfeeble the sacred ties that make us one. >> i'm joined by john avlon editor-in-chief of the daily beast and author of "washington's farewell, the founding father's warning to future generations." i'm sometimes overwhelmed by history and here we have the first african-american president quoting reverently from the first president who was a slave holder. it's one of those things that shows how things change for the better in ...

Doing you would without question, everyone would agree with us, because we are right. they never go back and sort of question the people and go back and say it is or something wrong with our core message? but that is not what the site is doing right now, they are staying we are still right you just didn't understand. >> dagen: every time president obama would say, let me be clear, that is what he is saying. i'm right, and the only reason you don't agree with me is because you are stupid. my grandmother used to do that, she would say you don't understand, and she would wave her hand at you. >> ...

Onto. john podesta,s campaign chairman saying there's things broken at the fbi. they're all having different responses. it is true what wur both referring to is they don't want to look inward at how many democratic voters just wouldn't get in the car and support her. and you know, bill clinton's wrong. the e-mail deal was not bogus. the e-mail deal really killed off her candidacy because it showed her like repeatedly long before the fbi letter from comey. she was under an fbi investigation. people felt she wasn't honest. they weren't motivated to support her. >> any of these things could be sa...