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Story. once bane made it public, 11 of the next 12 quarters, negative same store sales, negative sales compared to the pizza industry. it got to the point they had to change their complete pizza recipe. the neat 2009 commercials -- >> most amazing. they ran an ad campaign saying our pizza is absolutely terrible and we understand that. we're going to try to make it better. i mean -- >> that's exactly right. and it worked. it worked very well. domino's has recovered. it got to that point under bane capital. yet bane made a lot of money. you know, intellectually and as a business journalist, if b...

Years. she said to him, well she said, why are people making such a big deal of it? >> good point. >> that's a delightfully self-serving anecdote. >> it is being fought out right now over bozzle three, which is we can not regulate better. this is going to be my pro-canada moment. mark carney, who is going to be the top dog international regulator, gave a speech in washington addressing this head on. he said in no other area of human endeavor do we say, it's okay, we are not even going to try to make it better. i don't think regulators are god. i think they screw up all the time. you can have r...

Capital owned us and that that the ceo was running for senate in massachusetts. i mean, to me that was an opportunity. when the story broke that mitt romney was running for senate and then had this plant, basically putting everybody out of work at that point, then the kennedy campaign called and said, can we put some folks in an ad? we had nothing to lose. we were on the street, was trying to get a contract. we'd do it again if we had to, i'm sure, all the workers -- i stay in touch with many of them through facebook and they told me, keep fighting. i know that at that point in time, when we -...

Work. the point here isn't that they are not really smart. they are very, very smart. the point is, if you should create this computer game and set up a bunch of companies, a bunch of players all pursuing their self-interest madly. do you have a wonderful market economy or a car crash. i think a big reason you had the car crash and it started in the united states is that you guys lost the view that you needed someone in the center of the ring whose job was not to be a farmer and grow these businesses but whose job was to be the policeman saying, you can't go here, you can't go there. you might...

It absolutely can be. where there are unions, they are. >> the point is autoworkers were once janitors, especially, home care aids in terms of what their wages were, social status, the amount pow arer they had -- >> but the period in which he had got paid more was a very different period from the one we're living in now. and right now those jobs, i would pause it to us all, without having a solution, are exposed to much fiercer competitive pressures than they were in this golden period when those wages went up. >> i want to put in a plug for the fact we'll be discussing the way in which privat...