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presidents. both of you know very well governing is a lot harder than campaigning. does the president pass this test? >> again, you'd have to put that in context of what other presidents have done. most research shows they actually do most of the things -- or try to do most of the things they say they're going to do. i don't -- the question is not did he promise things and sort of do some things. the question is, here we are, in this terrible recession that was not of his making for sure and that they just had a total capitulation in a budget deal with the republicans and people are not happy about it. i understand that he's frustrated. but you can't make these guys happy about something that they're not happy about, that they feel like he gave in on everything. >> well, the conundrum for the president is the big promise that he kept. his signature promise of passing health care was one that overwhelming majority of americans opposed. it was a cornerstone of -- what

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