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That they had to give up the ghost on the no quid pro quo argument because the facts so clearly show a quid pro quo. "the washington post" reporting that senator john kennedy of louisiana, himself a quite practiced trial lawyer, told his colleagues that there may have been a quid pro quo but the government often attaches conditions to foreign aid. kennedy saying it all turns on intent, motive. did the president have a culpable state of mind? based on the evidence that i've seen the president does not have a culpable state of mind. ted cruz said a quid pro quo is not illegal unless there's quot...

Isn't this the definition of moving the goal posts? >> yes. the goal posts have shifted so much over the past five weeks that it's hard to see where the republicans are going to go next. they did start saying no quid pro quo, the president did nothing wrong. then you had some people saying maybe it was a quid pro quo but it's okay because he wasn't trying to do anything illegal. now it seems some senate republicans are distancing themselves from the president's defense and going for a practical defense saying yes, it was a quid pro quo, yes the president did leverage a meeting at the white hou...

Not to do his job, which in this case was reading out or debriefing members of the inner agency on what happened. >> ron, there's a report in "the washington post" this morning that a number of gop senators are considering acknowledgement of quid pro quo but arguing that it wasn't illegal. senator ted cruz saying that it's not illegal unless there's, quote, corrupt intent and such conditions are a tool of foreign policy. is this regular foreign policy communication? >> well, look, there's obviously -- americans -- american foreign policy has always tried to advance the national security goals ...

Sondland says i'm not going to go and tell congress this week that i was the one that dictated that particular text, where now the position is it was a quid pro quo, but it wasn't a corrupt one, so that makes it better. well, here's a news flash for sondland, for trump, for giuliani, and anybody who is a part of this kabul of crime. you know, it has to be the crime. the crime is the quid pro quo. the crime is the actually trying to influence the outcome of a presidential election by soliciting and accepting foreign aid. and the corruption aspect, there is no element of the cause of action or t...

An attempt to charge him or at least cite him for obstruction because if you recall, one of the reasons that attorney general barr said that the prosecutors couldn't conceivably prove the president had a corrupt intent was because they cooperated with the investigators in that investigation. that may have saved him from a potential charge. if you look at the congressional investigation and the things that led up to the congressional investigation impeachment is a political remedy, not a legal one. and it makes perfect sense you would want to have a different public strategy because it's a very...