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>> well, i think what we're really concern about they'll be the silent middle ground. let's support this, create a sunni borderland, an autonomous area, and then isis will use the violence they're willing to use to create essentially free rein operational space for themselves. so not much we'll have thousands and thousands and thousands of members of isis as it is that isis, by being the most willing to use force, will carve out a safe haven for themselves. >> mike, it's good to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> lawmakers just finished grilling the head of the irs about e-mails he says the ...

To do anything to bring them back. >> i would start offering immunity to someone really close to lois lerner. that's what i would do. and pull that capitol hill. start putting immunity to people around her. >> you think you have to start investigating or interviewing at least the guys who were working on the computers. the it guys. what interest do they have in lying about this? hard drives occasionally crash but they are usually backed up on thed the idea thate emails weren't saved somewhere, thousands of them, it's just hard to believe. i think you are going to have a real forensic analysis ...

Secr secret. >> while he has been on the job at the irs for six months, texas republican kevin brady says that the agency has hit a historic low. >> this is the most corrupt and deseatful irs in history. >> to say it is the most corrupt irs in history ignores a lot of history and it is a classic overreaction to a serious problem in which we are dealing with seriously. >> and ryan kept unleashing on him. >> and you told us monday when we asked you if any other hard drives crashed and -- you told us -- this is unbelievable. you said you would give us all of the e-mails and you learned in februar...

Way, is there anyone else's hard drive that is missing? is there anyone else's emails that we're going to have trouble recovering of the 80 people we are investigating at the irs? only then did the irs commissioner find out there were six other people's hard drives that had been damaged and unrecoverable. so i would think if i were running the investigation, those would be natural follow-up questions you would ask. i think it's gross inat the expense. >> i guess i mean what are the odds that the key time period for the key person, that's what i keep going back to. >> it's unbelievable. >> that...

It is not happen chance when she was giving these directives and sending these emails that somehow they have now disappeared. >> do you think she deliberately did something -- someone deliberately did something to destroy these emails. >> i think somebody deliberately destroyed the evidence that points to who committed all these crimes. >> and so special prosecutor, you have asked the doj for one. that's not happening, right? >> absolutely. i don't know why -- look, as members of congress, we don't have the capability or the expertise or the financial wherewithal to spend, you know, 80 hours a...