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I can tell you that for sure. the v.a. thing is messy, but it warrants further investigation. it's not a white house scandal. i think we have to separate what's a scandal and what's not. it still requires the president to respond. >> it's kind of -- it goes back to -- you know, when kids say, the dog ate my homework, it's not an acceptable excuse, and when obama says their phony scandals, their irs is being used to target tea party groups. the va had people on the list, looking like they're receiving care, when in fact they were on a death list and many of them died, you have the irs, you come...

Obama. this season the like 2008 when no one stood next to george w. bush, i think it will be a mixed bag. ben is right about something, this irs scandal doesn't look good, it doesn't smell good, and it makes people feel less and less trusting of the government, all branches of government. the congress has a low approval rating, the white house has a low approval rating. in light of that, things are bad, and the democrats have to respond to this, if not, they're going to be in some trouble. >> you have president obama mentioning yesterday when you called these phony scandals back in washington...

Critics a golden opportunity to score some political points back home? >> sure, no doubt about it, you're going to see a midterm about it. there's not a lot of democrats jumping out there and looking to have the president come in and get on stage with him and put their arm around him, they know he's a liability. and so when you do feel -- and people feel the country's not heading in the right direction, they can't trust the administration, theyen cat trust the irs, it's very hard to turn that around after six years when you've been in charge, that's why you see the vulnerability by many democr...

>> and i would say this, i still think it goes back to, when you have one of these issues, you have a va scandal, you have to show leadership and deal with it, whether it be immigration right now and the issues we're having with young people coming across the border. the irs scandal and the fact that they're claiming there's all these lost hard drives randomly of all these people whose e-mails we need to access. the irs should never be run in a way that is for political gain for anyone. >> how is that the president's responsibility. he didn't erase anyone's hard drive. he didn't delay reportin...

Health care. i can do it better, for me to say he's going to go back and blame bush, we're talking, we're almost six years in, he's been re-elected after an entire term, to somehow say i got a bad deck, i got dealt a bad hand. that's why you ran for president. at this point i don't think it's a valid excuse to say, i was dealt this, you chose to run for president, you knew the hand you were being dealt. you knew you were going to be in charge of the va, the irs. i think that's why his approval rate i rating is bad. he keeps saying, we got a bad hand, inherited the war in iraq. he didn't inheri...