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You're in charge of all of it, and when you see -- >> no, you're not in charge of everything. >> that's not true. >> you have to extend -- he's in charge of the irs, he has the ability to fire people if he really wanted to and he's choosing not to the same way he did with healthcare.gov, he's choosing not to fire people. >> the president is in charge of certain departments and branches, obviously, it's his responsibility to not just fire people, but to investigate and fix the problem. he addressed the problem with healthcare.gov. those two branches have also played an obstructive role in the p...

It's not on the level. >> you both heard that. are the fights going on in washington really just phony scandals as the president says? >> the president makes some fair points but i'm afraid that both the irs issues, everybody deals with the irs and usually doesn't have a favorable view toward them. the v.a. scandal that affects our veterans that we have so much respect for. those are real issues that people can identify and understand. so i think they are issues. now, have they been put in a partisan framework or lens? yes, i think they have. and that's unfortunate. >> every president seems to...

>> you're making a strong man argument here i began from the premise that some of these things were unforced errors, the website was his fault. it would be somewhat absurd and really dishonest to suggest that the president is disconnected from the bush legacy when it comes to iraq. he said he was going to draw down troops in iraq. don't get me wrong it would be full hearty to suggest that a war george bush put us in is not connected to the war obama is trying to get us out of. that's absurd. >> i'm not saying. >> the irs scandal. one more thing, the irs scandal is a legitimate issue we need to...

Welcome back. time for our buried lead. republican congressman darrell issa's house oversight committee went into overdrive with hearings to interrogate the irs or the oddly typed loss of key e-mails at the center of an investigation into whether the agency unfairly targeted tea party groups. last night, irs commissioner john koskinen faced what congressman called an inquisition. the commissioner, well let's just say he held his own. tom forman joins us with more. the irs commissioner was rather ornery over the hearings. a lot of people asking who is this guy. >> the simple answer, john, is he...

>> if you listen to just solely what was offered up by the republicans, you might question their accountability. >> when asked about the missing e-mails about the targeting controversy. the hard drive crashed. the e-mail flap is giving new am new nation to republicans and putting top irs officials in the hot seat. our tom foreman takes a closer look. >> i don't believe it. why should anyone believe you? >> what i didn't hear in that was, an apology. >> i don't think an apology is owed. >> reporter: amid the outrage and accusation, there he sat, he is he is veen /* serene as a saint. >> and mak...