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When you want to get to the e-mails to find out how many tea party, conservative and liberal groups were targeted? >> first of all, the hope and change president said that he would have transparency and accountability. you can't have accountability without transparency. and they act like these e-mails we're looking for the malaysian plane. it's not rocket science, folks. in this day and age, if you delete a file, you can find it. even if hard drives are destroyed, you will be able to find it. for the president to say there's not a smidgeon of corruption -- kelly, let me give our commander of c...

For a long time. >> keep going for a long time. this is a city notify consequence. >> i think had a terrible day. he looked dismissive he didn't look transparent. these hearings are show trials and for fireworks. do we ever get any substance out of them? get a lot of back and forth and get a lot of outrage. the question is they are saying the emails are gone. what is the chance that a special prosecutor is going -- >> eric holder is not going to do that. >> to me the question is how do we get answer really what happened and will we ever know if these emails were destroyed on purpose i think, y...

Listening to this testimony. i just -- i don't believe it. that's your problem. nobody believes you. >> representative paul ryan tearing into the irs commissioner saying nobody believes you. today on capitol hill, g.o.p. lawmakers grilling john about the irs claim that two years of lois lerner's emails is poof, disappeared. representative aaron was in that heated hearing today. he joins us. nice to he sue. >> greta. good to be with you. >> are you with paul ryan, essentially accusing the commissioner of lying? >> fool me once shame on you. fool me twice shame on me. they have attempted to fool...

Irs look good in that hearing. >> wow, that's kind a statement, making the irs look good. i've got to ask you, many americans find the actions of the irs to be very disheartening at best. here's why. this is an agency you would have to agree that can investigate you. >> yes. >> charge you, punish you and treat you like you're guilty without ever presuming you're innocent. >> uh-huh. >> given that scenario, you still want to hold on to the fact that this was vamping and political theater? >> yes, i do. >> why? >> for a couple of reasons. one, in this whole process, this is actually has been foe...

They flefr liked the irss. >> oh, you do? you love the irs? you love it? you love paying taxes? >> angela? >> i love paying my fair share. they're an easy target. liked to say one other thing. the way the republicans have presented this is lois lerner two years ago knew she was going to -- knew that she was going to do what she did so she erased all of these e-mails two years before there was an investigation. she then sent an e-mail to her i.t. people saying, i've lost awl these e-mails to cover her tracks. i don't believe that. lois lerner must be the best criminal mastermind ever. could it ...