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We, i mean, tried to go towards treatment that seemed to be available, but back then, for some reason, again, treatment for covid, cheap and available treatment for covid was demonised in brazil and elsewhere, which is a denial of science, manipulation of science. so, no, i'm very proud of having taken part in the government. right. we tried to do... in two years, we tried to change a corrupt system in brazil, and that system raised against the government and used covid as a means to stay in power and they're, unfortunately, they are succeeding it. and they are succeeding it, in part, because ...

As foreign minister of brazil. that's given you a little bit of time to reflect, and with that reflection, do you now acknowledge that covid—19 and the handling of the pandemic has been a disaster for the bolsonaro government? no, not at all. what happened has been the weaponisation of covid and everything that came with it by all the forces that are against president bolsonaro's original project of basically ending the kleptocracy, the system that has run brazil for a long time. so, those people want to keep the system, want to keep stealing, want to keep their network of bribes and corrupt...

Now lagging far behind former president lula, who seems determined to run in the next election. i put it to you one more time, as a result of the failures of your policymaking and your boss's, mr bolsonaro, your time, your time will soon be up. no. well, we're there for values. so, the time for sovereignty, the time forforeign policy that corresponds to the feelings of the brazilian people will not be up. yeah? unfortunately, and you don't want to see that, but if you go and study brazil, in reality, you'll see what i mean when i say that we are up against a very strong, corrupt system and for...

From the federal government to the state governments by decisions of the supreme court in brazil, which today acts as a de facto head of state in brazil. everything goes to the supreme court and they decide everything. and what the federal government did was to put together a huge system or huge mechanisms of helping the states, transferring money to the states in order for them to open up more places in hospitals and things like that. and also, we had probably one of the largest, if not the largest mechanisms put in place in the world for helping the people whose livelihood was totally affect...

Seemed to be available, but back then, for some reason, again, treatment for covid, cheap and available treatment for covid was demonised in brazil and elsewhere, which is a denial of science, manipulation of science. so, no, i'm very proud of having taken part in the government. right. we tried to do... in two years, we tried to change a corrupt system in brazil, and that system raised against the government and used covid as a means to stay in power, and they're, unfortunately, they are succeeding it. and they are succeeding it, in part, because of media narrative as the one you are reproduc...