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Know, this is about corruption, this isn't about the bidens, this is about, you know, cracking down on corruption and sort of being a leader in that space. but you know, i think a lot of it has kind of fallen flat over the last couple days. >> well, in fact, this week, the president made the argument that his desire to get foreign governments openly, like ukraine and china, to have these investigations into the biden family, that it's all about corruption concerns, that it's not about politics. but then listen to what he said in this exchange with cnbc reporter eamon javers. here it is. >> hav...

Establish transparent rules governing it. the president received support from his vice president, mike pence. >> the american people have the right to know whether or not the vice president of the united states or his family profited from his position. you look at the video of vice president biden and you see there was clearly a quid pro quo. >> mike pence and other republicans charge then vice president biden pushed out a ukrainian prosecutor for investigating a natural gas company. his son, hunter, served on the company's board. bidens defenders have pointed out that american allies in we...

And, you see that there was clearly a quid pro quo. >> they charge that biden -- hunter biden served on the board out. biden's defenders have pointed out that allies also pushed ukraine to fire this prosecutor over corruption concerns. he was asked about his role in all of this. last month he went to europe, he was in poland. he met with the president of ukraine. he was asked what he discussed with the president of ukraine. biden said that they focus entirely on addressing corruption of help and partnership from the europeans on this. shep. >> shepard: thank you. more now on what we are learni...

Administration that has made that core priority. >> does your reporting suggest at all that -- you say that the white house is suggesting that this had to do with corruption concerns. does the reporting suggest that trump was at all more specific with mulvaney or more specific in the administration about this being directly related to joe biden's son? >> i mean, that is the question that everybody is asking. and i'm not sure we have gotten to the truth with that yet. i think that what is important is to look at that call, that july 25th call at the center of a broader series or collection of e...

>> does your reporting suggest at all -- you say that the white house is suggesting that this had to do with corruption concerns. does the reporting suggest trump was at all more specific with mulvaney or more specific in the administration about this being directly related to joe biden's son? >> i mean, that's the question that everybody is asking. i'm not sure we have gotten to the truth with that yet. i think that what's important is to look at that call, that july 25th call, at the center of a broader series or collection of events of course in which the trump administration is withholding...