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High office to solicit the foreign government in 2020. now, the argument here is that trump pushed the ukrainians to publically push the investigation into joe bidden. in the notes of his call, you see him asking the ukrainian president to look into biden, not, say, corruption in general. the congress is arguing that in the articles the key to the case, donald trump wasn't saying this once and hanging up the phone. that might not be impeachable say democrats. but in these new articles, they argue that he used agents within and outside the u.s. government to pursue the plot. there is evidences ...

Heard. >> and this is really critical because as congress is trying to fill out the story here with the evidence to determine that this was really about donald trump's personal interests, not about the nation's interests, this is really going to the heart of going around the official process that diplomats go through, george kent, who we know we're going to hear from next week, made it very clear, he was one of the ukrainian experts. he was sidelined, he was told to lay low, is what we're hearing. all of this goes to, if it's really about the national security interests of the united states, i...

Just about corruption, corruption in general. it's not just about corruption if it's about his political campaign. and that's what the details in these transcripts sound like they're telling us, although i haven't read them yet. >> the other thing, jeremy peters, today, and we've heard this consistently from the president, consistently from his supporters, when they're asked about details they sort of pivot to the whistle-blower and they have negative things to say, obviously, about the whistle-blower, about the process. vindman says in these transcripts that are released, that "i am not the w...

We actually are? and judging by some of his supporters, i mean he thinks they're pretty stupid, that they'll believe anything he says even though it is so plainly at odds with that phone call. remember those magic words, i would like you to do us a favor, though. >> right. >> what's interesting to me, don is while the president is still sticking to his defense that this was a beautiful and perfect call, there are some republicans who are not prepared to fully imbibe all of the kool-aid. so there was just a "washington post" story tonight saying that some senate republicans are trying out a new...

They're basically admitting wrongdoing and saying this is the kind of quid pro quo that the u.s. always applies in foreign aid to say, like, fight corruption in general. but of course he wasn't asking to fight corruption in general. he was asking ukraine to investigate his political opponent, and there is zero evidence -- >> and the dnc server. >> and there's zero evidence that donald trump cares about corruption in general. he cares about getting dirt on his political opponents, which is what he was trying to do. >> i can't wait for that fireside chat if he actually does have it. lauren, you ...