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Through the vietnam war. we wouldn't have 58,000 dead in that war. there wouldn't be 2 million cambodians dead if we stayed out. we have to reassess our defense throughout the world. we still, at this point, have 370,000 u.s. troops stationed overseas. we can't afford it any more. we have to look at this as we go forward and attempt to deal with this $14 trillion deficit. >> steven, your view point stands in pretty stark contrast of kingsly there. you criticized his stance that right is making hay over this issue being just a cost issue. just to give a quick run down of what libya has cost so ...

Portable insurance, getting people insured without a government option is a model i think they could learn from. >> eric, not directly inconsistent. but he sure thought it was a much better national model then than he seems to now. >> the only criticism of mitt romney across the board of conservatives up to this weekend is he's not done an effective job walking back from romney care. the big criticism is the plan objectively in massachusetts hasn't worked. major problems in massachusetts. he has credit for it up until this point. maybe the walk back has begun. >> can you walk away from a -- wh...

This child's fate is? >> as far as -- megyn: that it's a terminal illness. >> it's my understanding a tracheotomy could be performed and they would be able to bring the baby home if these are his last days. but as i said. the fact that these doctors made a decision to remove the ventilator keeping the baby alive against the parents' wishes is what troubles me and troubles all of us. megyn: why are they doing that? is it a cost issue? why would the hospital be taking the position that the breathing tube needs to come out, period. >> that's a good question. i know the cases we have been involved...

Would. a tracheostomy is such a simple procedure. and the parents are saying they are going to care for this child at home. i don't see how this can be a cost issue. i'm quite confused and wondering what what details are we missing? >> i think it is a cost issue. putting in the tracheotomy will allow the child to live longer which costs the daily cost care. megyn: but he could come back. >> they then have oversight responsibilities. whether the child had a tracheotomy and stayed in the os they still have oversight responsibilities. this is what i'm worried about with obama-care. it's not quite...

>> so essentially, douglas, you lost a good amount of time that you could have been on the transplant waiting list, right? >> that is correct, sir. >> and kim, time is of the essence? >> it most definitely is. i will be very blunt in stating, okay, this holiday season, our family collectively, okay, we embraced it, not knowing if douglas would be around for another holiday to spend with us. there is no way that i would have put forth the effort to reach out to the community and ask for help. if we knew that, you know what? he's got coverage. this is absurd. >> the state medicaid official told ...