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Fbi and doj are democrats, republicans, independents. if someone saw a politically motivated investigation being carried forward, they would undoubtedly stand up, raise cane. the idea substantively that it could happen is wrong. then this interesting idea that this president believes he can direct doj to open and close specific investigations. that's contrary to the way our system of justice works. it is up to the attorney general, up to law enforcement based on predication to believe a crime has occurred to take that kind of action, and of course there's significant oversight that can occur o...

>> kerry, can you let her finish? >> i'm sorry. she's obfuscating the point. >> kerry, obfuscating is you. kerry, let her finish. and then you may. >> please. >> go ahead, joyce. finish. >> so it would have been possible for the fbi to convert this into a criminal investigation. there was certainly a lot of pred case. they cou pred case. they could have used wiretaps. they could have taken an undercover investigation, sent fbi it's toout to investigate t campaign. any of these steps would have likely damaged the campaign. what did the fbi do? they took the least risky approach in terms of prov...

About the story, what's the likelihood the doj will release documents? >> likelihood seems low right now. there's certainly pressure from president trump to do so because he is aligning himself more with the investigation from the house side, but department of justice has said that releasing that kind of information would be dangerous, potentially life-threatening, aus sten sibly to sources of theirs. this will probably continue to be a battle but at this point doj holds the cards. >> "the wall street journal," perry, is reporting that guiliani is advising trump don't talk to mueller before ge...

Security investigation, not a criminal case and in the context of looking into whether russia was trying to influence folks who participated in the campaign, a confidential source was sent to talk with a few people who were working for the trump campaign. we want people like this confidential source who is not a law enforcement officer to be willing to undertake this kind of work on behalf of our government. this is what gives the fbi the opportunity to protect us, to keep us safe from harm, and now future people who might be thinking about doing that kind of work will take a step back and wil...

Mostly young people, have been terrorized by mr. mueller's investigators. i can guarantee you they have found no evidence whatsoever of russian collusion nor trafficking of hacked e-mails with wikileaks. >> joining me, former u.s. attorney, professor at university of alabama school of law, msnbc contributor. welcome back. curious what you make of the fact that mueller's investigators have yet to speak to stone himself. >> typically there are two categories of people who aren't questioned by investigators during a case like this. one of those categories are people that just aren't related to th...