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The federal government much stronger than they would want it to be. you would think that people like amash would actually be worried about obstruction of justice. but we haven't seen that happen. what we would need, i think, is something like trump saying no to the courts, the courts said to him, you must turn over your taxes, he defies -- >> he's trying now. >> he lost the first two cases. if he were to defy the supreme court or if he were to defy the appeals court, i think that might change the -- >> i'm just wondering, in this environment, if you heard mueller today, john, if you read the r...

Been expanding the size of government and is also making the federal government much stronger than they would want it to be. you would think that people like amash would actually be worried about obstruction of justice. but we haven't seen that happen. what we would need, i think, is something like trump saying no to the courts, the courts said to him, you must turn over yoshyour taxes, he defies -- >> he's trying now. >> he lost the first two cases. if he were to defy the supreme court or if he were to defy the appeals court, i think that might change the -- >> i'm just wondering, in this env...