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Let me put my wedding band on my pinky so i can make this question easy. the fish rots from the head down, that was what scaramucci put into the ether. but the truth of it is that leadership begins the top, tone bins at the tope, so yes, general john kelly, people say you look in his eyes and you realize he is no joke. but you also realize he is not the president. so how much change can come from beneath? >> well, i would just say that the fact that there were four rival power centers and a weak chief of staff who couldn't control who the president talked and didn't have most of the staff repo...

Policy put in place. >> respond to that. let me put my wedding band on my pinky ring. the head rauts -- the fish rots from the head down. that was bhaut scaramucci put the to the either and now i can't say it without laughing. but the truth of it is that leadership and tone begins at the top. you look in his eyes and realize he's no joke. he's also not the president. >> i would just say that the fact that there were four rival power centers and a weak chief of staff who couldn't control who the president talked to and didn't have most of the staff reporting to him wasn't -- didn't just happen....

Congress. >> the template that he was supposed to use, the bill clinton ken starr investigation, people in the white house put their heads down and got things done by trying to ignore it and ignore things they couldn't control, meaning independent counsel or special counsel investigation. they're not doing that here. it has to be because of the president of the united states. you can tell by his tweets. >> and that ends up se setting our agenda. we end up following it and talking about it instead of talking about the other things. we had governor sununu on, both of whom suggested let's take a ...

2018 if i'm a house member anywhere that's remotely a swing district. this reminds me in a different way of 2005. you knew nancy pelosi was going to ba speaker. i had a friend ask me, i've been thinking about running for congress tore ten years, should i run? no. the tidal wave is ugly. >> clearly, after all the talk is done, all the verbiage has been piled on all this, jim comey is no longer the fbi director because the president of the united states new instinctively he could not control him. >> this is donald trump, a man who has never had any checks and balances his entire life, a man who ...

It was like this thing he couldn't control. he just had to say it. it was such an odd moment. >> i agree. it's also puppet moment where they're talking about putin and the question was do you condemn, and he said of course i condemn, but it didn't continue. they were getting into it over putin, and she called him a puppet. and he said no, you're the puppet. again, i hate to raise my children, but that's the kind of thing my kids used to do. >> the situation with russia, she's been the secretary of state. she reset the whole thing. president obama, i mean, this is their policy. here we are. >> ...