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Against, this idea that you can be for marriage equality but you can also be for people being discriminated against because they're gay and lesbian. >> i think that speaks a little to his rustiness of a candidate. he's trying to thread the needle, fudge it. if you're going to take a side just own it. i know this was an on the fly type of answer but he is sort of trying to have it both ways. i tell people a good way to look at it is to flip it. if you were in utah you encountered a mormon or certain establishments that would not deal with you because you were not a member of the lds faith. most...

Doma, all the court did, was to say if you live in a state, you are a same- sex couple and you are married there, the federal government for purposes of benefits can't see you any different than a traditionally married couple. >> what kind of benefit at the federal level will gay couples get? >> at issue was the state taxes. edith win sor. she and her partner lived together in new york and couldn't get married at the time. they went to canada and got married. new york did not recognize the marriage. her partner died and she was left with a tax bill that was more than $365,000. and so when you ...

Your marriage? >> look at the divorce rates. people get married and then divorce thed next year. >> this is why obama talks about it. he says personally and he has evolved. people should talk about evolving. here the thing, people push back because they say, wait a minute. my parents were involved in a bigoted union? my grandparents were involved in a bigoted union. if you are saying these people who want to keep marriage between a man and woman are bigots you say where were you 15 years ago? >> they were scared perhaps. >> you are telling people that their ancestors were -- this is the way ma...

>> look at the divorce rates. people get married and then divorce thed next year. >> this is why obama talks about it. he says personally and he has evolved. people should talk about evolving. here the thing, people push back because they say, wait a minute. my parents were involved in a bigoted union? my grandparents were involved in a bigoted union. if you are saying these people who want to keep marriage between a man and woman are bigots you say where were you 15 years ago? >> they were scared perhaps. >> you are telling people that their ancestors were -- this is the way marriage was for ...