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Washington yesterday, the truth. we do it, they do it, everybody does it. that was the defense top u.s. intelligence officials gave about spying, including spying on american's allies. german officials said to be unsatisfied and are meeting with national security officials at the white house today. what could be on the agenda? jim sciutto joins us from washington. what do we know. >> reporter: you know what a challenge it can be getting straight answers. now, a couple big headlines from here. first they said emphatically that the white house would have known of the spying on the u.s. allies. t...

Tall. think about how tall that actually is. and he pulled this off just after saving a fellow surfer. you can see that right here. burle racing to her aid, making sure she was okay beforegetting back into the water. and carlos is joining us via skype to talk about it. so great to meet you. thanks so much. everyone is wondering, what is it like to be out there on a wave? did you know it was as big as it was when you were in the middle of it? >> well, i knew because the day was so special, so right to get a swell like that. and from the beginning of the day, i knew that we were going to face th...

I learned in intel school in 1963, this is a fundamental given in the intelligence business is leadership intentions no matter what level you're talking about. military leaders as well. >> reporter: still, that argument didn't satisfy some on the committee who questioned the value of angering america's closest friends for minimal intelligence gain. >> it's a policy decision ultimately for us to make, is it worth the risk of that blow back, in light of the information we gather. >> reporter: intel chiefs emphatically denied reports of surveillance of millions of calls in france and spain. they ...

Cool. >> i have the chris cuomo face right now. >> it kind of hurts, doesn't it? >> that's hard for you. >> what a downgrade. >> can i just say -- really? no. it might -- my curiosity is why would these barges spark curiosity to begin with? it feels like a plan to me. i feel like somebody might have created buzz here. >> what's funny about it is -- >> it's a barge. >> google is not saying anything. they're clearly involved. the coast guard admitted. it is definitely google. when you reach out to google, they're like, i don't know. >> is it working? here we are talking about it on national tv. ...

Way. >> you can't do that. you don't have the time to think. >> if not for him grabbing it, saying it's fake -- >> he would have been dead. >> would have been a different way. the officer involved here within you said he has a lot of training, experience, he's been on the job a long time, never used his weapon in the line of duty. which gives a window into his disposition. he wrote an article back in 2008 where he was training about how to deal with an ambush. one of the things he talks about, you think you're safe behind a car door. he was behind a car door when he shot this kid. he says you'...