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Decade ago. now he's got almost universal name recognition. why not take one more shot at the brass ring? >> how about someone whose name maybe not all americans know but he's out there. larry hogan on the republican side, the second-term republican governor of maryland. he's been flirting with challenging president trump. this is what he said to cbs news. >> the issue i'm concerned about is he has a very low reelect number. in the high 30s or low 40s so the chance of him losing a general election are pretty good. i'm not saying he couldn't win but he's pretty weak in the general election. >> ...

It's a broad agreement. we will hear them talk about it in the next several months. >> is there a logical path to victory or is it too early to know that. >> i think certainly, what i look at with corey booker is the emphasis on cities, urban issues. early key primary states. but that original appeal early in his career. i always come back and say that for so long he couldn't win. he lost the election and he was probably the most popular in new jersey because of his tremendous due burr ban-- suburban appeal.

You don't even need it? >> look at you. >> laura: i asked you whether the party went in a good or bad direction and you said the old guard wouldn't have beaten hillary, you're absolutely right. they have the couldn't win their home state, they couldn't win florida, their key states, mitt rom any couldn't win michigan when he was up against obama. so the new guy comes in and says look i think all your policies have been wrong on trade. he thinks the foreign policy was too intervention any of the in iraq and other parts of the middle east. we've upset the apple cart there and that got their atte...

Night? >> that's not what i believe today. >> fascinating. that is a crucial question. you mentioned ross perot. you talked to him about michael bloomberg. someone who thought about running as an independent last time around against donald trump. >> my jaw dropped when he said this to me. he offered up to me, he said, if mike bloom buberg ran two years ago, i think he would have won. i said mike bloomberg didn't even think that. he looked a eed at the data and couldn't win. he said i disagree with that. he pointed to the polling with americans identifying as independent now. i then asked, if m...

Do right now, and if you're thinking about doing it as an independent, now is the time to do it. >> does he know this is a 1% chance historically? i just say that. i mean, is he being given honest assessments like hey, you know, you can spend all the money in the world, ross perot outspent both opponents and still finished very far behind. >> when donald trump ran for president of the united states and had one opponent, he won. and stakes are too high for us to look at this race and assume we get a different outcome because we need to stay in old construct of the way things have been done. i t...