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A lot of people are going to be sitting home saying, that's not my guy, i can't get fired up about that. that's the challenge the democrats have. >> do you throw your support behind it, joe biden is more moderate? a pressure piece like an elizabeth warren. we talked a lot about the pressure of the race. one of the points you all were making is it's a random drawing, folks. it's an all white -- >> all white night. >> it is. every single one. if this issue am coulds up, how can these candidates address this very serious issue of race without coming off as pandering. >> this is going to sound lik...

Themselves with water. >> can you talk about the status of the victims once more? the remaining victims? >> so we had two ta fatalitiesd 182 transports. 123 able to get processed. processed and took them awhile but basically walked away without injury. i'm trying to get the other are ten hospitals. sf general there were 53 transports and this is 19 that remain here at the hospital. six in critical condition. >> talk about the inside of the plane upon impact. can you tell us about that? [ inaudible ] >> seats were moved. the buckling of the seats and parts of the plane that were badly damaged a...

What do you make of his version of the events that night? >> well, i understand his explanation but i think that we have to always go back to the fact that had he stayed in the car. and we have to also remember that mr. zimmerman is in a vehicle and he is traveling. trayvon is a pedestrian and he is walking, right. they are two different speeds going on here. and so if he never gets out of the vehicle they never have this encounter so for him to make trayvon out to be the perpetrator, i don't buy it. >> sean: let me ask you this in terms of getting a guilty verdict in this case, and that liste...

What do you make of his version of the events that night? >> well, i understand his explanation but i think that we have to always go back to the fact that had he stayed in the car. and we have to also remember that mr. zimmerman is in a vehicle and he is traveling. trayvon is a pedestrian and he is walking, right. they are two different speeds going on here. and so if he never gets out of the vehicle they never have this encounter so for him to make trayvon out to be the perpetrator, i don't buy it. >> sean: let me ask you this in terms of getting a guilty verdict in this case, and that liste...

Arm's length transaction. >> shannon: and one of the presidential contenders rick santorum who continues to stay in there, scrappy and insistent that he is in there for the long haul. any highlights from your chat with him. >> just the fact he says it is not all about iowa, it is all about iowa. he has spent twice as much time, 60 days in iowa, as any of the other candidates this year. i think he has to do well, be one of the top two or three in iowa or he will run out of money and steam and won't be able to do it. a lot of people are saying he could be the mike huckabee of this cycle who goes...