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Donald trump is the single stupidest person ever to sit in the counsel table in that courtroom, but even donald trump understood that in that room h, is immunity dream was shattered by a judge donald trump does not believe should be a citizen of this country. leading off our discussion tonight, glenn krishna, former federal prosecutor and host of justice matters podcast. glenn was there for this morning's oral arguments in the courtroom. also andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division of the eastern district of new york. co-host of the msnbc podcast,...

The difference between mike pence's situation and mark meadows situation, they both have sharply incriminating evidence about donald trump. mike pence though, probably doesn't have a fifth amendment right against self incrimination to invoke mark meadows absolutely does. mark meadows lawyer will say if push comes to shove, and the executive privilege claims fails, you need to walk into the grand jury and plead the fifth over and over and over again. then jack smith has a decision to make, does he immunize mark meadows and compel's testimony against trump? or does he make mark meadows a co defe...

Entire case because it's cameras have been fixed at him at counsel table. mike: he's acknowledged drug addiction and talked about taking a lot of pills every day his memory was sharp on some things as you mentioned, not sharp on other things. any idea of what the impact could be on jurors on that front? well, if you look at how he behaved in the past ten, 11 years when he was committing significant white collar crimes that he's admitted to and fooling everybody around him it doesn't seem that the opioid addiction had effect on that. he was successful at it. for him to say this he wasn't thinki...

>> i don't think there was a dry eye in that courtroom. i know it wasn't at our counsel table, and i saw jurors brushing back tears. >> beulah mae donald's ability to forgive james tiger knowles of an unspeakable crime is a commentary on her character and not on his crime. but it also raises the question, how long must america count on the bottomless well of black people's forgiveness? >> i was angry. i was angry for a long time. i just had to forgive him because it wasn't going to bring the girls back. it wasn't going to bring my

And that if i could, i would take her son's place. >> that's when he asked me, will i forgive him? >> what did you say? >> oh, yes. i had already did that. >> you had already forgiven him? >> yes, sir. i had already asked the lord to take it in his hand. >> i don't think there was a dry eye in that court room. i know there weren't at our counsel table. and i saw jurors brushing back tears. >> beulah mae donald's ability to forgive james "tiger" knowles of an unspeakable crime is a commentary on her character, and not on his crime. but it also raises the question,