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He wants to this president and do you think he is using him, treating him like he is an asset? >> that is a harder question. i will pump that one back to john, i'm not a counter intelligence expert. of course he has strategic objectives that he think social security in russia's national interest welcome he thinks that president trump is a useful ally in those outcomes. for years putin wanted the united states to leave syria, but the greatest dream in his world is to see disrump in nato. when you hear the word adoptions, that is the other

>> we have the special counsel that has stayed largely silent amidst all the political noise, and slamming the narrative of mielk flynn as a victim of over aggressive fbi agents. special counsel prosecutors saying mielk flynn is responsible for his false statements to the fbi, saying he made the decision to lie about his communications with the russian ambassador two weeks before his interview with the fbi. why do you think this was the moment for such a public rebuke like that? >> that is a question, and that was a dramatic development. can i say at the outset how much of a pleasure it is to ...

Pass-throughs for loans from at least one very senior russian oligarch close to vladimir putin. even if putin and russia aren't laid out in black and white in this indictment, they are certainly very much embedded into the content of this material. >> thank you for that, richard. frank, you've been a counter intelligence expert for years and years. what does it tell you when you look at the papadopoulos, court filings on papadopoulos and you see russians were his contacts, do you have any doubt they are gru, military intelligence of the kremlin? >> so it is almost impossible to overemphasize t...