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You have to distinguish the counterintelligence area from the criminal investigative area. in the counterintelligence area, there are a boatload of informants that just provide information, not in connection to a criminal investigation, but just for national security reasons. >> jennifer, why are we just now hearing about roger stone? >> so what i think is going on -- and i'm very pleased with this development -- is that they are now getting to one of the huge areas where we know there is criminal conduct but it hasn't been charged yet, which is the hacking, right? the hacking into the dnc, po...

Counterintelligence area. you have to distinguish the counterintelligence area from the criminal investigative area. in the counterintelligence area, there are a boatload of informants that just provide information, not in connection to a criminal investigation, but just for national security reasons. >> jennifer, why are we just now hearing about roger stone? >> so what i think is going on -- and i'm very pleased with this development -- is that they are now getting to one of the huge areas where we know there is criminal conduct but it hasn't been charged yet, which is the hacking, right? th...

Vocal and above the waterline. the counterintelligence area, which is where this would fall, one area is investigation and the other is operations. it tends to be the fact that the fbi and intelligence community does not discuss these types of operations. just because you don't hear about it, one should not make the mistake it is not happening. i would not be surprised that donald trump loses the election, come thursday or the day after that we don't see results of those investigations and operations. it's clear there's a far nexus and i would be surprised if the fbi was not very actively invo...

Into the political but they doesn't see to be so aggressive in running down some of these allegations of foreign hacking, russian hacking, attacks on the delegates and the dnc. what do you make of that? >> it's a very important point. i want to clarify that. there's what we see and there's what we don't see. you're absolutely right. the investigative arm, which tend to fall under the criminal auspices of the fbi is very vocal and above the waterline. the counterintelligence area, which is where this would fall, one area is investigation and the other is operations. it tends to be the fact that...

Do what you need to do. don't have mistakes because you didn't take the extra step and weren't willing to put in the time. failure is motivating for me. if you fail in a counterintelligence area, it can have national implications. failure at that level can mean lost lives. it's a very important value to me. keeping people safe. keeping americans safe. keeping this country safe. it's my job. it's my job.