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Counterintelligence matter as well as a criminal matter, it helps answer the question how they got involved in the first place. in addition, at a different level, i think the answer to your question is we have thought of these as two very straight things, but if you're trying to understand how bob mueller is thinking, if you're trying to understand how the fbi was thinking about it, understanding the narrative they're telling themselves, they may be much less separate, that it might not be the story might not be we were investigating collusion and then the president came around and tried to sh...

Launched as a counterintelligence matter or it can be launched as a criminal matter. but when the bureau shows up, it shows up with all of its authorities, not just the ones associated with the particular type of investigation originally predicated. a lot of big words there. that point, that there has been a separation between the counterintelligence, he says that wall has disappeared or gotten smaller. do you agree with that? >> i think so. after 9/11, the fbi got out of the war on drugs, which was a good thing, and started to focus much more on national security. and so now it looks at those...

>> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey. knowing there was no good time to do it. and in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. >> this rusher thing. now "the times" notes special counsel robert mueller took over this inquiry into president trump when he was appointed, just days after the fbi opened it and it is unclear whether mr. muller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter. no evidence has emerged publicly that donald trump was secretly in contact with or took direction...

Americans are very much divided on this. eric: do they have anything else that we don't know about yet? that could be a possibility. >> that's the heart of the issue, eric. best question yet. and you can find the answer to that i think in the tenth paragraph of that new york times story. what does it say if you go and scan down to the bottom of the page? it says no evidence has been found that he's been colluding with the russians. eric: let me read that to you. we showed that a second ago. quote it is unclear whether mr. mueller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter in some form of...

The president said this. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey. knowing there was no good time to do it. and in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. >> this rusher thing. now "the times" notes special counsel robert mueller took over this inquiry into president trump when he was appointed, just days after the fbi opened it and it is unclear whether mr. muller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter. no evidence has emerged publicly that donald trump was secretly in conta...