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Subordinates or deputy subordinates. and somewhere along the line someone gets sloppy with their communications and we get a copy of an action message that authorizes this operation to go ahead. you have to remember, this entire russia investigation started as a counterintelligence operation. we had information indicating that russian intelligence was carrying out this operation and was doing it with the assistance of american citizens. >> what do you make of the sort of echoes between trump and putin's rhetoric on both the economy, which i want to get to in a second because i think it's a def...

Of an action message that authorizes this operation to go ahead. you have to remember, this entire russia investigation started as a counterintelligence operation. we had information indicating that russian intelligence was carrying out this operation and was doing it with the assistance of american citizens. >> what do you make of the sort of echoes between trump and putin's rhetoric on both the economy, which i want to get to in a second because i think it's a deft maneuver by putin to ingratiate himself. >> i don't know who is leading who, there's some evidence that it's vladimir putin. he ...

Is there there. >> harris: such a there. >> david: maybe that's what we should call his investigation. first of all, we talked about leaks. grand juries are typically secret, so it starts with another high-level leak. >> harris: this specifically benefits mueller's aside. >> david: we don't know this. the grand jury process allows you to move expeditiously through an investigation. you can bring people in, it's called a perjury trap because they look to get you on a charge, you lied to the grand jury so they can charge you with something to get it to somebody else. it doesn't prove anything, b...

Release sources and methods, then they've got to be able to conduct their -- i know -- the public would like to know everything, but there's a reason why you do keep some secrets sometimes when you're conducting an investigation or you're involved in a counterintelligence operation or a terrorism operation. there's a reason for secrets. and you know, i'm here to tell you, i'm speaking from my experience. other people sgreerks i'm sure, and i respect that, but i'm saying, if we had 100% transparency on everything, this wowed would be even far more chaotic than it is right now, and i know right ...

These investigations or answering questions you know, this investigation is only growing. >> no, that is fair, fred. and i think what we need to make sure we establish here is it is right now just a count counterintelligence operation. if they move into the criminal realm, they're going to have to find more than just the appearance. there is a lot of smoke, i trust with robert mueller coming on board as a special prosecutor, i find the leaks will stop, because as a former prosecutor i find the leaks indefensible. i find the folks in the upper