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Security. i disagree with the reporter. clearly, the bad guys have already changed their way. remember, these were counterterrorism programs essentially, and we have seen that bad guys overseas, terrorists who are committing and plot eight tacks on the united states and our allies, have changed the way they operate. we've already seen that. to say that that is not harm to feel the national security of the united states or our safety is just dead wrong. >> and we mentioned the fisa opinion, 80 pages long, doesn't have the opinion but has documents supporting it essentially saying the government...

And when you look at it, every one of those nations is hostile to the united states. i mean, if he could go to north korea and iran, he could round out his government oppression tour by snowden. so you think about what he says he wants and what his actions are, it defies logic. he has taken information that does not belong to him. it belongs to the people of the united states. he has jeopardized our national security. i disagree with the reporter. clearly, the bad guys have already changed their way. remember, these were counterterrorism programs essentially, and we have seen that bad guys ov...

Public conversation about drones so that the american people are brought in to this debate and have a full understanding of what rules the government's going to observe when it conducts targeting killing? >> i think this hearing is one of the things that can be done because i think this type of discourse is critically important. i believe there need to be continued speeches that are going to be given by the executive branch to explain the counterterrorism programs. i think there's a misimpression on some american people who believe we take strikes to punish terroristses for past transgressi tr...

>> we're rin reach of strategically defeating al qaeda. i think now is the moment. >> but here on the frontier of northern mali, al kay da is gaining strength. we have heard some horrible stories about what is happening and you're going to hear them now. today i called the military leader. it's the main islamic group linked to al kay da here. >> yes, this is omar, hello. >> translator: no, no. listen. i do not speak to a woman. if you would like to speak to me, give me a man. we do not speak to women. do you hear me? >> translator: no, we do not speak with women. it is necessarily to...

guessing. he will always soar to great heights here on the riduculist. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, al qaeda rising. i'm live from a refugee camp miles from the border of northern mali. more than a quarter million refugees have fled the country, more than twice as many as syria. they are fleaing radical s extremists here is leon panetta shortly after the killing of tonight president obama said al kay da is on the run. >> we're rin reach of strategically defeating al qaeda. i think now is the moment. >> but here on the...