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But you have to put on your poker face. that was really more for the negotiations. i'm not trying to defend him. i know what he said behind the scenes. i know how he is. i know he's not going to allow the debt ceiling -- for america to default on the debt. i heard him yesterday and, come on, this is an act. did you get that sense? >> sure, a little bit. i think it will get resolved. i also saw john boehner squirming. there are a number of cases where he said, i'm not going to let the country default. i'm not going to hold up the c.r. clearly this hard right wing of of the party has encaptured ...

Mess. he basically argues they will have to relent. >> when speaker boehner said we're not going to let the country default, clearly what he meant was we're not going to let the country default. if we default, we'll blame the other side. i'm less confident we're not willing to go over the cliff on this. it's been an amazing week and next week more amazing, getting a national object lesson in child psychology. last week about how you deal with your children when they are having a tantrum in public. actually president obama is doing exactly the right thing. he's staying reasonable. not going to ...

In john boehner's heart he's not going to let this country default. but i was listening to john feehery a little earlier. the president needs to get a little bit off his high horse. he voted against raising the debt limit when he was in the senate. and there are some things, specific things that he could give up, wouldn't cost him anything, that would allow boehner to save face so we can get this thing done. >> give me some examples. can you think of them? >> yeah, sure i can. the medical device tax. 76 senators voted to repeal the medical device tax. the keystone pipeline, which everybody in ...

Their basic theory is, okay, if the shutdown doesn't work, then we are going to try to get some extra concessions out of the president. we'll put a long laundry list, all of the things that we want if we can't get passed on our own. if we don't get it, we'll tell them we won't vote to pay the country's bills. we'll let the country default. i'm not making this up. it's common knowledge. every reporter here knows it. i want you to understand the consequences of this. as reckless as a government shutdown is, as many people as are being hurt by a government shutdown, an economic shutdown that resu...

Time. in john boehner's heart he's not going to let this country default. but i was listening to john feehery a little earlier. the president needs to get a little bit off his high horse. he volted against raising the debt limit when he was in the senate. and there are some things, specific things that he could give up, wouldn't cost him anything, that would allow boehner to save face so we can get this thing done. >> give me some examples. can you think of them? >> yeah, sure i can. the medical device tax. 76 senators voted to repeal the medical device tax. the keystone pipeline, which everyb...