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Separated or removed from their children unless they are what -- are unfit parents. that's according to state law with the idea that the state must show clear and convincing evidence that thearent has abandoned their child. the practical reality is that the law makes little distinction between being removed from the country unwillingly and legally abandoning your child. >> so from what i'm hearing it's not happening and it was completely out of line for the president to ask to go outside of due process for these immigrants that are entering into this country. all right. we're going to check ba...

Does snowden ever return to this country, perry? and should he return to this country? >> i think he may return to this country unwillingly. i think he'll be brought back in some kind of extradition process and the u.s. will prosecute him. should he legally be forced to come here? probably, because he did violate the law. does he end up becoming a hero or traitor? that's ultimately a discussion that will keep going. i think there are people who will, if he comes back to america or brought back by force, there will be people who will be very pleased he revealed these programs. >> perry bacon jr...