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Murray. thank you, and joining miss is andy parrish, michele bachmann's former chief of staff. thank you for joining us. we wanted to get to some of the charges that former staff members, including yourself, have made on this subject. we should point out that michele bachmann's attorney has said she's done nothing wrong and she's cooperating with the office of congressional ethics. what do you know about whether the fec or the office of congressional ethics, a preliminary group, what down about what actually happened in this campaign? >> thanks for having me on, andrea. ultimate down in iowa...

perry, the texas governor who is running for the gop nomination. not in the newspaper hard copy, a lot of americans get, but in the online edition. he talked about the president and his birth certificate and he said he believes the president was born in the united states, but a little less confident on that birth certificate. of course, released earlier this year by hawaii after a request from the president. he went on in that interview to say i had dinner with donald trump and he doesn't think it was real. trump was flirting with a bid for the gop nomination and part of that was a p...