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And reveals much about the way he thought politics worked. joining us now, seth, senior writer for espn.com and espn magazine and the author of the upcoming book "it's better to be feared" and mark is here, "new york times" chief correspondent and msnbc contributor. take me through this story. it's -- the storytelling is extraordinary. tell us more. >> well, thanks a lot. i -- it was interesting, in 2015, don and i did a story on the connection between spygate and deflategate and at the time we got a tip on who the mutual friend might have been and my coauthor was told that it was donald trump...

Bipartisan, right? >> at the same time, we'll continue to try to get democrats to join with us. absolutely. we are determined to get it done and want it done by year-end. >> we are talking about less sons learned from health care, one of the lessons seems to have been you can't count on republicans to get i done alone, that's what you're counting on when it comes to the tax plan, isn't it? >> i think we are going to try to get democrats involved. we're going to do it with 51 so republicans can get it done if need be, but we are also going through the committee structure or the regular order. h...

Jillian: spread that on. while you are doing this three cookbooks. >> three cookbooks. got every day barbecue. jillian: tell me about this. >> tangy sweet. march that laid. janice: tangy sweet new best friend. >> fundraiser coming up in june. >> yes working for the uso. i made a couple trips. south korea two years ago. kuwait. we are trying to plan something this summer right now. jillian: very nice. you are probably wondering why these bottles are here. we have some champagne. rosea both from france. supposed to pair well. janice: mac and cheese tell me about this. >> baby back mac and cheese...

>> good thursday morning, everybody. a day away from the magic day. friday. we are getting there. >> it is pretty magical, but not as magical as the weekend. >> no. >> any big plans for the weekend, by the way? >> no. i'm just going to chill out. one of the last weekends of summer, so just going to enjoy it. right? while we got it? >> i don't have any big plans. spend more time with the family. which is always nice. >> you have been traveling a lot. nice to relax. >> had a couple trips. nice to not do anything this weekend. >> good for you. should we pay the bills? >> let's do it. students r...

The embodiment for sovereignty in afghanistan. he made a couple trips to the cannedal har -- kandahar area. he is setting the stage for the next phase of the campaign. >> so it is impossible not to notice the far more con sill tory tone by the secretary of state hillary clinton and defense secretary about hamid karzai. it's not the same kind of acrimonious kinds of comments from last week when they were criticizing him about his ba la of good governance and failure to fight drug trafficking. are we cutting hamid karzai slack? is it appropriate in>> in world war ii we were allied with josef sta...