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With russia and everything to do with ukraine. this is part of a broad-based russian effort to weaken the ukraine state so trump was quite happy to go along with that. and then of course giuliani is second to none, since 9/11, in terms of enriching himself from security issues. so i think that has continued, and the president seems to have had full trust in him. so of course if you're an ambassador out there, in any country dealing with this kind of weird stuff going on, and you can't get your secretary of state on the line, there are a lot of problems. and i think it really speaks to the fact...

Say they will keep the option open and if we want to send someone, they will submit a name. and it will not be rudy giuliani. >> i want to bring in ambassador chris hill who is at the university of denver, former ambassador to iraq. always good to see you, ambassador. we've got rudy giuliani, private citizen, running this kind of policy channel along with what we've been calling the three amigos, or they call themselves the three amigos. "the new york times" has seen documents showing that while giuliani was pushing trump's agenda with ukraine officials who, got to say this, needed u.s. suppor...

Street journal" all reporting that when giuliani was in ukraine trying to dig up dirt on the bidens, he was also trying to drum up business from ukrainian officials. giuliani is denying those allegations in a tweet. quote, i did not pursue a business opportunity in the ukraine as they misrespected. i could have helped them recover $7 billion in stolen money but i didn't, was paid zero. joining me from florida, nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, "washington sun-times" reporter. kelly, is there any sense about whether the white house is planning to participate in next week's hea...

For manufacturing this dirt. >> there's two things. one you've got this sort of disgruntled ex-ukrainian prosecutors selling the story to rudy giuliani or right wing media or personal interest i think it's fair to say and there's questions about whether nunes was directly interfacing with them as part of his own gathering of information. >> that's right. so it would be exclusive enough if all we were left with was the first report from the daily beast that nunes was coordinating with lev parnas who's of course giuliani's associate who's indicted. and this associate, lev parnas is saying he's w...

Prosecutors who are sort of selling the story to rudy giuliani or right-wing media or personal interest i think it's fair to say and there's questions about whether nunes was directly interfacing with them as part of his own gathering of information. >> that's right. so it would be explosive enough if all we were left with was the first report from the daily beast that nunes was coordinating with lev parnas who's of course giuliani's associate who's indicted. and this associate, lev parnas is saying he's willing to testify under oath with congress and he has recordings, audio and otherwise and...