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Gauged i've been use to go monitor to where is the public, what does the coverage do, the audiences, the public audience in these impeachment hearings i was there for all of them beginning back with the intelligence hearings, there were larger crowds especially when you saw like gordon son sondland. there was long lines trying to get in. it could be what you're saying, there's no new information, people are not tuning in in public and seems -- howie: i believe there's a whole lot of scandal fatigue stretching the years or more. >> one of the things that i wanted to point out about editorials i...

Editorial pages, to me the gauged i've been use to go monitor to where is the public, what does the coverage do, the audiences, the public audience in these impeachment hearings i was there for all of them beginning back with the intelligence hearings, there were larger crowds especially when you saw like gordon son sondland. there was long lines trying to get in. it could be what you're saying, there's no new information, people are not tuning in in public and seems -- howie: i believe there's a whole lot of scandal fatigue stretching the years or more. >> one of the things that i wanted to p...