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Where -- >> the house likes the mandate aspect and wants to add it to their own bill which is more likely to get the reconciliation bill. >> right. and if they can get a senate bill they reconcile it with the house through negotiations. look, i don't think there is -- i don't think failure is an option here is how they are looking at it. i think there's so much downside. this has been the problem with how the tax bill has been argued and how it has come together. a lot of conservatives don't like it. >> go back to also just when reagan did the major tax overhaul, they did it with democratic se...

>> of course they can. of course they can, yeah, that's the point. obamacare's fundamental problem, other than the fact that it was not well conceived and the purpose of it was to create a single payer system when it failed, it created an insurance product that a lot of americans didn't need because it had so many coverages that were not necessary and were expensive, so you ended up with the high-priced insurance policies which a lot of people didn't need. you can tailor better insurance policies to people in that age group. the big cost driver here for the community at large in health insuran...

And he was senate chairman of the senate budget committee. you are the perfect person to speak to about this. let me put up for our viewers the headlines from what we know about the senate plan. it repeals obamacare's individual mandate, which was the least popular component and boosts the child tax credit to $2,000 per child, and lowers several middle income tax rates and the corporate tax rate is reduced to 20%. do you like this plan? >> well, i like the corporate side. i think the individual side is skewed the wrong way. i sat on the weighs and means committee and the simpson-bowles committ...

Democrats are beating you over the head with, look at virginia, they like their health care and obamacare and they failed miserably trying to roll back obamacare. messing with the individual mandate, premiums go up and it affects a lot of people who are trump supporters. there's a lot of risky politics involved here. bottom line, this is political expedientcy. >> for republicans, this is political. it's trying to attach an obamacare key provision, and it was a conservative -- >> the individual mandate? >> yeah, it was sold as individual responsibility. >> that is interesting, because that has ...

Don't want the bicycle but will be hit with the fine anyway. when 13 million is not going to be covered, that's not an accurate number. let me finish. those 13 million people did not want to buy the obama health care package. they may go out when they don't have to buy that package any longer because they won't be fined any longer and buy something more tailored to their needs. most of those people are young and don't feel they need the type of massive coverage obamacare covered and need a catastrophic plan to be honest, so i don't think the 13 million is an accurate number. >> i want to ask y...