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Perhaps that could be somebody that might be helpful. it that matches >> what's going on in ill p philadelphia? >> well, 1990 was the crack wars so that's how far back it goes. i still live in philly but i don't have the same kind of access to information that i once had. but i will tell you this. what i have noticed is a lot of finger pointing going back and forth. and what i hope city leaders, police, district attorney, mayor, everybody, they get together and actually come up with a strategy. and that strategy can't just be having a press conference, and -- and asking people, pleading with p...

>> yes, you do. >> what kind of police commissioner would you be looking for that can deal with both police reform and deal with the question of policing at the same time with the morale problem, but with the problem that we still want to see policing deal with things like mental health and readjust these budgets to deal with that? what kind of commission are you looking for? >> great question. as a reverend you can appreciate, this is a 14 and 14 moment -- >> very important. >> arrested, beat by police officers, go into the police department but at the same time, when i was arrested and beat ...