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It's a lot of grass roots activetive activity that's taking place. they are having a bigger debate than we are on the left. i think that is concerning for them especially when of all the conversation over the last seven years about repealing and replacing the affordable care act it came down to the president's executive order pause they weren't able to do it. >> all right. >> just real quick. i think bannon is encouraging people to stand by their values. he went head to head with president in alabama with the strange and more context and they were on opposite sides of the fence. bannon is cand...

That are required under obamacare. >> jonathan, i want you to respond in a second. allen, when we talk about legacies. one of the obama legacies is this affordable care act. iran deal. now it may be too early for nine months into a presidency, president trump to be thinking about legacies but is he already crafting his legacy by a mission to undo the legacy of a predecessor? >> absolutely. as i point out in my book the case for impeachment. donald trump is obsessed with his own image. he can't stand anyone to be overshadowing him, including a former president. also, when barack obama first cam...

Gain for people? >> that's a good question. the answer is because families will say you've got millions of families that will save thousands of dollars on their health insurance. people can't afford it. they call this the affordable care act. i just got back from arizona a week ago where the premiums have doubled. people can't afford obamacare. >> the argument is being made -- just to answer what jonathan was saying. the argument is being made with this executive order it's going to be worse. if people right now are paying $255 a year with the subsidy and we have graphic. we're now looking at ...

The first time aren't as interested in the toys than the flush toilets. they probably flushed it about 200 times. it's got to been an extraordinary thing to see how your kids, what comes to mind for them as they race through their grandparents home. >> children amazingly resilient. thanks so much. president trump trying a new tactic to undermine obamacare. who will it help or who will it hurt and how will it affect his effort to repeal and replace? my day starts well before i'm in the kitchen. i need my blood sugar to stay in control. i need to shave my a1c i'm always on call. an insulin tha...

Panel. jonathan is an economic's professor at massachusetts institute of technology who craft obamacare. good to see all of you. jonathan, let me begin with you. could this move by president trump to end health care subsidies lead to what the president says would be helping millions or would it lead to the unraveling of the aca? >> neither. it's not going to lead the unraveling of the aca. most of the aca will be fine. any objective analysis said it will lead to much higher premiums, people losing health insurance and the government spending more and not less. this end to move the cost sharing...