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Testifying the right way. all those classic things, which is what -- destruction of evidence, which is what nixon and watergate was about. if mueller has something like that, all of these other statements and things that president trump did would be evidence -- further evidence of his intent. but those things alone under the arthur anderson case, under the case law as i understand it, could never constitute obstruction because as corrupt as it may be in the lay sense, the president has the legal right to fire jim comey, to ask jeff sessions to unrecuse himself or to consider firing bob mueller...

It sounded like a very unimportant meeting. >> so unimportant meeting, sound like an unimportant meeting. michael, that is synced up with what don junior said when he was testifying to the congressional committees. >> correct. there's a lot of folks under oath who say he did not know, don junior saying the president didn't know about it, other folks, i believe jared kushner testifying to the same thing. the president obviously maintaining that he knew nothing about it, including after it came out. now, one of the questions mueller is looking at is how the president -- or the role the president...

Executive privilege limiting her testimony. here is the democratic congressman eric swalwell last hour when he said this at 9:00. >> no secret that hope hicks is a relevant witness for us. she is one of the closest advisors to the president. that was the case throughout the campaign, the transition, and all the way up until today. >> bill: catherine herridge live in d.c. let's start there. good morning. >> we anticipate that white house communications director hope hicks will arrive at any time for that closed door session before the house intelligence committee and anticipate that she may ref...

Could not defend herself when i was asking questions about what was your role in crafting a statement for john kelly? what was your role in defending rob porter? she wouldn't answer and there are a lot of staffers that i talked to who are saying off the record that they are appalled that john kelly defended rob porter. they thought he was going to be a better chief of staff than this. and now you're facing this uprising within the ranks of the white house staff. >> you talk about an uprising, we started to hear that ivanka trump wanted john kelly gone in part because he's cut down access for h...

>> i'm going to give you the last word here. this is -- i want to get this reporting in. this is cnn's m.j. lee reporting that porter's ex-wife says he punched her in the face, gave limb the photo to prove it in january of 2017. that is more than a year ago. so for folks saying well kelly didn't know. is there an excuse for him not knowing? >> no, he either chose not to know or more likely did he know and didn't care. he thought this man was more important to him than the stories about the women. he thut they wouldn't get out or believed. we have the daily mail to thank. you know this he broke...