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Average americans, you're salt of the earth you reflect the way americans think and i want your views. that's the way the president thinks about john kelly, but these are very technical issues. these are politically laden issues and i think kelly is going to call upon a lot of support from the white house team to get through them. >> i guess what's interesting here is and i think going back to the issue we were describing, you know, the president's been dealing with an afghanistan review that frankly i know some people have been troubled by in the military community, the way the transgender de...

Now. >> well, first, john kelly is a great american. he's a great man. and i think we should note public service is really the reason he decided to go work for donald trump. he's not a democrat or a republican and he's totally apolitical. and i've had many conversations with him. and as you noted, i worked with him closely at the pent done gon. 's a close personal friend. he and kaish have given every measure for our country. their son robert was of course killed in action in afghanistan. and he has another son, his other son john junior is getting ready to deploy overseas. so this is a man in...

He's not somebody who has a lot of relationships in the media. good, bad or indeterminate. >> sadly, that's true. >> and eats r he's not somebody that actually likes to interact with the media which i'm guessing nor this president might be something he appreciates. kelly o'donnell, you've got a lot more to do on this, i know. in fact, go find out what the fate of sep is, if you could, would you. >> working on it. >> all right. just now another tweet by the president on this shakeup, a thank you to reince priebus. quote, i would like to thank reince prescribe for his service and dedication to h...

Alex, so i'm going to ask you, i think, look, secretary kelly, there's no doubt this will get good reviews. this has been a very professional guy. i've had interactions with him. he's a very impressive individual. but there is a lot of aspects of being chief of staff that he's had no experience doing. what's your quick take on this? >> well, this was not a surprise. i mean, the situation was untenable. there were effectively two chiefs of staff with the mooch -- >> on a good day there were two. >> we woke up this morning and clearly there were two people who thought they were chief of staff to...