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Alex, so i'm going to ask you, i think, look, secretary kelly, there's no doubt this will get good reviews. this has been a very professional guy. i've had interactions with him. he's a very impressive individual. but there is a lot of aspects of being chief of staff that he's had no experience doing. what's your quick take on this? >> well, this was not a surprise. i mean, the situation was untenable. there were effectively two chiefs of staff with the mooch -- >> on a good day there were two. >> we woke up this morning and clearly there were two people who thought they were chief of staff to...